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【悲報】岐阜県では介護職員は自分の身を守ってはいけない

2019/08/27 : 15:00

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【悲報】これが虐待と判断されてしまう
#拡散希望 pic.twitter.com/dfuZo0V0tt


@TakasimaAkihide 認知症のおじいちゃん上級国民だったんじゃねえの?

@TakasimaAkihide @ika_reing781904 これで職員にケガとかあっても相手は認知症だからって無罪放免になる可能性とか胸くそすぎるこの世の法律

@TakasimaAkihide 来週のさざえさんは
包丁の怖さ
逆襲の入所者
正当防衛とは
の3本になります
せーの!ジャンケン👉👌=👶ポン!!!!!


@TakasimaAkihide 相手がそういう人なら大人しく刺されろって事ね。勉強になるわ

@TakasimaAkihide FF外から失礼します。
私は介護職をやっておりますが、まあやってなくても分かると思いますが
これは虐待には値しないと思います。
職員の命があっての介護職ですからね
失礼しました

@TakasimaAkihide 警官が刃物男に発砲した時を想起させる。それだって「過剰防衛だ」「撃つ必要があったか」と言われたが、撃たなければ犯人の矛先が一般人に向いていたかもしれない。撃った方が走って捕まえるより速いから。これと全く同じことが起きている

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@TakasimaAkihide こんなんで「介護職の若者が足りない」とか
一体どんな人材を欲しがってるんだ
包丁で刺されても「全部僕が悪いんです」って言う人が理想なのかな

@TakasimaAkihide 身の危険を守っても介護側が虐待扱いなのね。。
虐待扱いされるか死かの二択

@TakasimaAkihide 老人ホームに入った老害は包丁を持って刺しに行っても大丈夫なのか、、、、?

@TakasimaAkihide だから介護職員になる人いないんだよ…

@TakasimaAkihide 完全に正当防衛やろ、
保育士さんだけじゃなく介護士さんも大変だなぁ、

@TakasimaAkihide 介護福祉士には人権無いのか?

@apachainoi71 @TakasimaAkihide 本当にそう思います。
学校とかでも、自分の怪我や命より
相手のことを優先するように教えられましたからね。
なんなら、早く介護ロボットを
完成させて導入して欲しい。

@TakasimaAkihide なるほど包丁を持ってる人が来たら説得しろと…(꒪ཀ꒪*)グフッ

@TakasimaAkihide これからは認知症を装った事件が増えそう(小並感)

@TakasimaAkihide 同業者ですが、理不尽過ぎる…
他の誰かが怪我をした時になんと言うのか…
ひとつアドバイス
録画をすべきです

@TakasimaAkihide @MichiruNeri さすがブラック企業
介護はホント大変(経験者は語る)

@TakasimaAkihide 虐待問題が多すぎてなんでも虐待に見えてきてるんだなぁ

@TakasimaAkihide 正当防衛さんはどこいったんですか

@TakasimaAkihide いやこれ職員刺されてたらそこで1人の命なくなってしまうやん
正当防衛でしょこれはw

@TakasimaAkihide やっぱり法律も見直すべきじゃないかなぁ…時代も変わっていくし…

@TakasimaAkihide これからは黙って刺されるわ

@TakasimaAkihide これ日本人ヘルパーさんだったから、この程度で済んでるんであって、外国人ヘルパーさんだったら刃物見た瞬間に『手負いの獣モード』で、爺さん冷たくなってんぞ?

@rorisu1991 @TakasimaAkihide 被疑者は認知症であり判断能力に著しい欠損が見られるため無罪とする

@TakasimaAkihide じゃあ男性職員はどうすれば良かったの??

@TakasimaAkihide 虐待になるのはおかしいと思うけど、なぜ認知症と分かっているのに刃物を持ち出すことが出来たのだろうか?🤔
日中なら職員多いけど、夜は最低限の職員しかいないし仮に持ってても回収するのが最善。介護してるけど、個人の部屋には基本的に刃物系統は置けないようにしてあるし管理不足はあるかも😭

@TakasimaAkihide 高山市「正当防衛なんだろうけど相手認知症だし……」

@TakasimaAkihide @titi829 FF外から失礼します。
包丁を取りあげるために、投げ倒していたなら、正当防衛はなりたつのでわ?
取り上げた後に、たち向かってきたから、投げたら、過剰防衛の気がしますね

@TakasimaAkihide えー!!!?これって自分の身を守るために行ったことじゃないの???
認知症の家族に出てきてもらったがいいんじゃない?
包丁持って徘徊して、誰か殺したら…
認知症ってことで刑が軽くなるんでしょ?
おかしくね?

@TakasimaAkihide 年寄りの方が危ないのに怪我させて正当防衛にならんって本当にこれこそ老害やろ
これやけん邪魔って言われるんやろ
老害を言うのがダメだって言うやついるけどこれ見ても言えるか?ってなるよね

@TakasimaAkihide 実は職員の人が元自衛隊であったのなら少し考える所だな…

@TakasimaAkihide 児童とか学校の虐待は素直に認めないくせに
こーゆーのは認めるんだね

@TakasimaAkihide 男女平等とか教師の体罰問題もそうだけど、弱き者を守る為のルールが害悪化して立場逆転してるんだよなぁ…
俺も認知症の患者に指を折られかけて手を叩きのけたし

@TakasimaAkihide 虐待って一体なんなんやろね。
みんなの思う虐待ってなんなん?笑

@TakasimaAkihide こんな事で虐待通報される世の中だから、介護・福祉業界は疲弊するんだよ…

@TakasimaAkihide え?虐待じゃないですよね?
ストレートに正当防衛ですよね?

@TakasimaAkihide じゃあ、どうすれば良かったの?

@TakasimaAkihide 高山市、TikTokの小学生かよ

@TakasimaAkihide 包丁持って刺しに来た人を高齢とは言え投げ飛ばしたら虐待になるのか..

@TakasimaAkihide 虐待(ぎゃくたい、英:abuse, maltreatment)とは
繰り返しあるいは習慣的に\_(・ω・`)ココ重要! 
、暴力をふるったり、冷酷・冷淡な接し方をすることである。

@TakasimaAkihide こりゃ介護士の人手不足は一生解決しないわ・・・

@TakasimaAkihide 刺されてからなら正当防衛になった説

@TakasimaAkihide 職員が4んでも良いけど、老人に怪我させたら、駄目に決まってンだろーが!
常識じゃん!

@TakasimaAkihide っていう考え方なんだろうな。
恐らく、支持層が老人なんだろう。

@TakasimaAkihide なんで、包丁もってるの?この施設の管理事態が、問題だよ!認知症あるなしに関わらず、刃物の管理が出来ていない!

@TakasimaAkihide @Yuta3739_ どう考えても正当防衛。怪我を「させた」のではなく「した」。
職員は1ミリも悪くない

@TakasimaAkihide 投げ倒すくらい近寄れたなら包丁取れたでしょw

@TakasimaAkihide 日本って本当の虐待が起きていても知らんぷりで、こういう時に「虐待だ!」なんて言うよな……

@TakasimaAkihide 虐待じゃないです。
これを虐待というのであれば介護職はけが人続出してどんどん人手が足りなくなるでしょう。
国もちゃんとそおいうとこ考えてください。ただの税金泥棒ですよ。

@TakasimaAkihide 介護職には肉体的死か社会的死の二つに一つ
う〜んこれはクールジャパン!www

@TakasimaAkihide 1年前のことですね。
虐待かどうかはさておき、これ読むと少し印象は変わるかと。包丁は包丁でもパン切り包丁だし。
http://www.care-mane.com/news/9599.html?CID=&TCD=0&CP=1

@TakasimaAkihide 実習とか行って、介護を知ってるつもりになられると腹が立つよね。
こちとら利用者に殴られたりつねられたり
罵声浴びせられたりは毎日なのに。

@TakasimaAkihide 恐らく包丁を取り上げたことにより、危険性がかなり低下したのに対して、被疑者の方は緊張というか恐怖やらでまだ興奮していて投げ倒したのではないでしょうか

@TakasimaAkihide 日本から正当防衛が消える日は近いね

@TakasimaAkihide @inada_tei え?日本だよ?加害者が上で被害者が下になる国だよ?いまさらだよ?(゜ロ゜)

@TakasimaAkihide 正当防衛って適応なかなか難しいんやで。
攻撃されてから反撃するってのが成立の基本だからな
攻撃されてからでは遅いんすけどね

@TakasimaAkihide それによって過剰な正当防衛、つまり過剰防衛と判断され虐待という形になったと思います

@takehusa_kubo26 そうですね、詳しく捜査してほしいです

@TakasimaAkihide @KEI08440670 自分は普段から暴力行為が目立つ利用者から叩かれてつい手を軽く叩いたら
上司からこれは暴力行為だろ?次はないって言われた
叩き返したのは悪いがなんだかなぁ
因みにこの利用者の暴力で失明寸前までいった職員もいます

@kannzakihijiri @TakasimaAkihide その職員さん大丈夫ですか?(^_^;)

@4afoBETK8ozadQ このニュースの文だけでは詳しく状況が読めませんね…
取り上げた包丁は男性職員が持っていたのかもしれないですね。
その包丁をもし取り返されてしまったら、自分が刺されて命の危機にあうかもしれない、という恐怖で投げ倒したんだと思います。とっさの出来事だし、仕方ないし正当な防衛なのでは…?

@kannzakihijiri それは良かったです
けど、そういう事件?事故?があるのに改善されないというか、世間さんはわかってくれないんですね(^_^;)

@YUUKI__SAO__ 公共施設だと駄目なんじゃないですかね

@WqHTKb9gvYorB34 @TakasimaAkihide それ考えたけど、施設内だからギリセーフかな?

@TakasimaAkihide てか、刃物持った男性こそ犯罪とか大丈夫なん?

@TakasimaAkihide えー(笑)
どんどん介護士いなくなるぞー

@TakasimaAkihide 刺されろとでもゆうんですかね。

@TakasimaAkihide 認知症は安楽死させたれよ。

@TakasimaAkihide 大丈夫大丈夫。
介護職員に人権とかないから。
殴られようがセクハラされようが、なんなら目の前で自殺未遂されようが、手を出した瞬間に虐待になる。

@TakasimaAkihide 今回はわからんけど正当防衛成り立つのそこそこ難いって聞いたことある

@TakasimaAkihide 詳細を見るとやり過ぎ、虐待ですわ
殴ってから、投げ飛ばしてるし、完全にアウトなやつ pic.twitter.com/0kxWKUNP6c

@TakasimaAkihide 包丁を取りあげたあとだからなぁ、
包丁持ってる相手投げ飛ばしたなら正当防衛だろうけど、、
何も持ってない老人投げ飛ばしたなら過剰防衛って言われても仕方ない気がする

@k_z_n_6 @TakasimaAkihide そうかもしれないけど、
もし夜勤者が小柄な女性で、
相手が自衛隊上がりの認知症の男性だったら?
仕事中に殴られたり、蹴られたりしたことあるけど、中々の威力でしたよ。
距離をとってもやはりプロでした。
顔面とか足とか殴られたところ腫れましたもんね。

@TakasimaAkihide 包丁を取り上げた後だから虐待って扱いにしてるのかもしれないけど、なんとも言い難い。取り上げてすぐならもみ合いになったとき、事故が起きても責任問題に発展するのに止めたら止めたでこれだもんなぁ。
それとも投げ飛ばしのところが問題なんだろうか?取り押さえなら問題じゃなかったんだろうか?

@TakasimaAkihide @wantalongshot 高山市はアホ?
それともバカ?
職員が殺されてもいいの?
どのような行為が、納得いくように説明してください。
私には正当防衛だと思いますが。

@TakasimaAkihide @houzukiTAIKO なんだか偏った報道にも見えなくもなくもない(´・ω・`)

@bluecacao100 @k_z_n_6 そうです。
例えで出したのですが、
余計意味がわからなくなってしまいましたね💦
すみません。

@k_z_n_6 何故ここで小柄な女性の例を出したのかは全くわかりませんが、要するに認知症のご老人でも暴れれば相当の力を持っており、普通に抑え込むのは困難だと仰りたいのだと思います。

@TakasimaAkihide 取り上げた後に投げ倒してるからじゃない?

@TakasimaAkihide 日常的に投げ倒してたなら虐待だろうけど
これはさすがに正当防衛だろ

@TakasimaAkihide 虐待ではないけど、認知症だからか……
難しいとこですねー。



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